tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post372472766028465210..comments2024-01-14T08:12:12.953+01:00Comments on ted valentin: Google - the content producer?Ted Valentinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18387469677155757172noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-72609535071582070192010-06-01T16:05:44.789+02:002010-06-01T16:05:44.789+02:00Hm, I think there might be some confusion around w...Hm, I think there might be some confusion around what the Google Map actually points to. <br /><br />So, to clarify: <br /><br />* In the web results, there are some links to external web pages in the list. But what I'm referring to is the links at the top and bottom, going to Googles own "local business listings". (Recently renamed "Google Places"?). <br /><br />If you are on a mobile phone, there are no links to external pages - all links point to Google Places.Ted Valentinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18387469677155757172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-6500768490951144912010-06-01T15:40:20.222+02:002010-06-01T15:40:20.222+02:00Great post and in general I agree with you and wha...Great post and in general I agree with you and what should be the focus of Google's business. That said, I think Google is generally justified in placing the map up top since for most searches (e.g. "car dealerships stockholm") there probably is no distinct user review site.<br /><br />Also, what this indicates to me is that there needs to be a better way of aggregating reviews of this sort (like Yelp, but beyond).Joel Dietzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14614151638168602620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-77193609031457197832010-06-01T14:57:10.504+02:002010-06-01T14:57:10.504+02:00How do you draw the line between content, and aggr...How do you draw the line between content, and aggregation of content though? In particular, between the market for content (which you're suggesting google shouldn't be allowed to enter), and the market for aggregations of content (which it's assumed they may continue to compete in?)<br /><br />Your argument in this case of sushi is quite persuasive and seems to be based mainly on the quality of the aggregation.<br /><br />Because aggregations of content are themselves content, you're saying that google should cede to a competitor where a competitor is able to aggregate content better than they can.<br /><br />Interesting argument -- but whether it works from a competition perspective rather depends on where and how you draw that line between content and meta-content / aggregations-of-content. There's a certain blurry circularity involved.Matthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07759263441119052158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-3203160374863681882010-06-01T13:45:57.728+02:002010-06-01T13:45:57.728+02:00Great blog post, interesting read! It's been a...Great blog post, interesting read! It's been a while since I've been to the land of Yahoo search, but I did a quick run through all the search engines besides Google to see if any others showed their maps first, and they don't! Yahoo actually integrated TripAdvisor as a tab in their search result which is really cool. First, you're served with the search result and you have the option of clicking on Yahoo Travel or Trip Advisor on the left hand side (use Sushi Stockholm as your search). Considering Ask.com owns Citysearch.com they don't integrate that with their search results either.<br /><br />"Google can encourage content producers to supply the listings with geographical meta tags" I totally agree, let's just hope they listen to this post and all other local search providers! :)Annienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-74910200217311179462010-06-01T13:18:18.697+02:002010-06-01T13:18:18.697+02:00Ted, thank you very much, well put and detailed en...Ted, thank you very much, well put and detailed enough for anyone to understand the issues at stake<br /><br />With all good intentions and naive views we are touting a single actor, in this case google, on the internet in many services on the internet<br /><br />The side effects of smashing out of business such ventures as yours is really an issue as well<br /><br />So lets stop being naive about these issues and make our voice heard. And lets stick to the facts.gobezuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01181837002802510517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-68299499029164428092010-06-01T12:55:27.946+02:002010-06-01T12:55:27.946+02:00Nice post.
Guess most people agree with your thou...Nice post.<br /><br />Guess most people agree with your thoughts about Google and their own content being displayed in excess. So do I at least!<br /><br />Unfortunately, I don't see any changes coming anytime soon..Relevansanalys.sehttp://www.relevansanalys.senoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-42130464885368509512010-06-01T12:47:44.949+02:002010-06-01T12:47:44.949+02:00@Gabriel: In this example, Google is not only prom...@Gabriel: In this example, Google is not only promoting "another way to search". It's also promoting it's own local listnings pages, like this one, for Roppongi: http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=7629099842301367084&q=sushi+stockholm&cd=1&ei=zOMETL7NPJzGOInVyZIM&sig2=_mgEOsEslrAY_0xtUtRH2w&dtab=0&sll=59.332711,18.054558&sspn=0.037733,0.053771&hl=&ie=UTF8&ll=59.359971,17.963505&spn=0,0&z=13&iwloc=A <br /><br />... That is a page where they are more and more buildning up their own content. User reviews etc.<br /><br />On the mobile phone, all of the links lead *directly* to these pages.Ted Valentinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18387469677155757172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-41213859668793648702010-06-01T12:35:00.581+02:002010-06-01T12:35:00.581+02:00It all depends on how their product "web sear...It all depends on how their product "web search" is defined. If the product only consists of the aggregation and ranking of web pages according their algorithm and then matching these pages with a user query, then you are probably right. But, if the product is just search, no matter the content or purpose, then their Maps application would just be another way to rank and display that content. Pushing that application above the results would then be the suggestion of another content display (the user reviews on google maps are mostly aggregated from other sites anyway), not bundling.<br /><br />I'm neither a lawyer nor a web developer, so this is just layman guesswork. I would like to know what the judicial definition of their search product is (and is map search and web search two different products?).Gabriel Berginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15321754220525252344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088279226880529970.post-47575965964228041372010-06-01T12:27:43.686+02:002010-06-01T12:27:43.686+02:00Good analysis and very well put. It comes down to ...Good analysis and very well put. It comes down to the fact that specialized services for your specific need at a given time will always be better than "come all, serve all" services. <br /><br />The other side of the problem though, is that for times when there isn't a specialized service, the Google alternative can be really useful. And add to that, the Google results are very accessible. <br /><br />But as you said, the most relevant search result should always be put on top. So if Google could evaluate competing web services against their own objectively and list them in their results accordingly, I think we'd have a solution. But I guess that's really hard to accomplish.<br /><br />The best solution for the users would be to integrate your and other specialized services directly into the SERP, but that's a whole other problem.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419179720687523534noreply@blogger.com